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protesters and a state-imposed curfew, here's what we know right now. the governor of missouri has just announced that the curfew has been lifted for tonight and he's deployed the national guard to ferguson. the first day of classes at ferguson schools have been cancel canceled. also at this hour, some 40 fbi agents are on the ground in ferguson knocking on doors and interview witnesses in and around the neighborhood where unarmed teen michael brown lived and died. meanwhile, the grieving brown family pleads for justice. new information from the preliminary findings of an independent autopsy commissioned by the family show that michael brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. a separate federal examination of brown's body is also being performed as a result of what justice department officials call extraordinary circumstances. all this as the official state performed autopsy results have still not been released. and overnight, reports of at least three more journalists placed under arrest by authorities. let's go to nbc's kristen welker
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at the white house, where president obama has just met with attorney general eric holder. what can you tell us about that meeting? >> well, we know that the attorney general will be updating president obama on the federal investigation that is under way, joy. we know that over the weekend the attorney general ordered an independent autopsy of michael brown, which speaks to the fact that the justice department is getting more engaged in this investigation and also speaks to the fact that there's not a whole lot of faith in how this is being handled. we should say that that autopsy was requested by the brown family. based on my conversations here, the attorney general has been very concern kd about the way things are being handled in ferguson. the level of militarization. the fact he requested specifically for the police department not to release that video, which allegedly shows michael brown robbing a convenience store, and it was released anyway. so there is a lot of frustration
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on the part of this administration, on the part of the attorney general. so i anticipate that will certainly be a large part of the discussion. as you pointed out at the top, the national guard has been requested to be deployed by the governor to clarify specifically what that means. i just had a conversation about that. governor nick nixon has deployed the state national guard. that is a move he made on his own without consulting with the white house. but lay, he doesn't need to because it's his state's national guard. however, it certainly raises questions, again, about how this is all being handled. we know the white house has been in constant communication with his office. top adviser valerie jarrett was briefed. at this point, no plans to hear from the president about this today, joy. but we can't raule it out. >> yes, indeed. kristen welker, thanks very much. chris hayes, the host of msnbc's
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"all in" is on the ground in the st. louis suburb of ferguson, missouri. chris, give us a sense of people's feeling. has it filtered out to the people you're talking with that the curfew that had been imposed on ferguson will now be lifted for tonight? >> no, it hasn't. that was just announced a short while ago. what has happened today is a much earlier police presence at the epicenter of the protests, that gas station that was burned down on the first night of protests just shortly after michael brown was shot. that's been the kind of congregating area for protests. it's been the central location. earlier this morning i was out there, and about 15 police had instructions to, quote, keep people moving. they didn't allow people to congregate there. shortly after, all news trucks were ordered out of that area. my sense is what we're seeing is a two-pronged approach. the curfew is being lifted on the one hand. on the other hand, i would imagine they're in the stages of creating a perimeter around the area that has been the epicenter
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of protests and those protests later that have occasionally turned into clashes with police, looting of nearby businesses. so that appears to be the strategy today, to lift the curfew but have a much tighter perimeter. as of now this morning, 9/11 broad daylight, no one was being allowed to congregate in the main area that had become the site for protests over the last eight days. >> chris, do you have a sense just from having been there of the difference and being able to tell, i guess, from the uniforms whether or not the main police agencies that are dealing with people, that are not letting people congregate, are we talking state police at this point? are we talking county police or are we talking ferguson police? >> it's all of the above. i mean, last night when i was out here until about 2:00 in the morning walking around, i saw delwood police. delwood is a neighboring municipality next to ferguson. i saw ferguson police. i saw jennings police. i saw st. louis county police. i saw st. louis metro, the city
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of st. louis. i saw st. louis county police. i saw state highway patrol as well. and ron johnson in his early morning press conference said they had called in for reinforcements. you're seeing a number of police in various different uniforms. sometimes late at night they're in riot gear. it's hard to tell where their from, although the trucks will say. you're seeing people in sort of tan shirts. that's county or county brown as folks call them down here. you're seeing is people in blue shirts. those are the state highway patrol. there's a lot of law enforcement from a lot of different divisions and municipalities down here at the moment. >> lastly, chris, what's the sense you're getting from people about the preliminary autopsy ordered by the family? >> there's two things i would say that i've heard from basically every single person i've talked to. you know, in the last four days, this morning as i was out, there's two things. one is people want -- the sentiment on the ground here is they want to see charges.
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they want to see criminal charges against this officer. given the combination of the autopsy, the six shots, the one shot at the top of the skull. the three eyewitnesses at this point who basically have broadly -- actually, more than broadly, fairly tightly synced accounts of what happened. given the fact you have that evidence, they feel there's sufficient evidence to charge darren wilson. the thing they'll say to me sl if this was anyone else with that amount of evidence, they would have been charged. if the shoe were on the other foot and mike brown had shot darren wilson under the conditions in which those eyewitnesses and that autopsy, mike brown would have been charged by now. that's the thing. independent of what the actual investigation that's proceeding in st. louis county is, the sentiment here, the strong sentiment is that's the thing they want to see. the other thing i've heard almost unanimously is essentially no confidence or trust in the st. louis county prosecutor who is overseeing the
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investigation, the possible -- we're getting some reports they might present evidence to a grand jury on wednesday. there's very little confidence in him among the community to pursue justice, to charge adequately, and to see this through. there's a lot more faith in the federal government and eric holder and the fbi. there's a lot of calls for an independent prosecutor being appointed. people want to see charges, and they don't trust the current st. louis county prosecutor to oversee that charging procedure. >> all right. chris hayes, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and don't miss "all in" with chris hayes live from ferguson tonight. anthony gray is the attorney representing brown's family along with brenjamin crump. he joins me on the phone. thank you for being here. i want to go right to the question of the autopsy. we now have the results.
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this is the preliminary autopsy ordered by the family. what does the family want to see done as a result of that autopsy? >> well, i think you pretty much covered it in your earlier broadcast. they want to see charges brought pursuant to the evidence that's been submitted by way of witness testimony and by way of this pathologist report. >> does the family have confidence at all that the local police investigation is proceeding at all, or are they getting any information from local police who are still the main investigating authority? >> right. no, they're not getting any information, but yes, information is being dissemin e disseminated. that makes them feel somewhat slighted. it started off that way. and i think the way information is coming out now just deepens that feeling of being slighted. >> and the family obviously is now looking to the federal authorities to investigate this
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situation. how much confidence does the family have in that investigation? >> well, at this point, they have no reason to have any suspicion about it, at least at this point. i think they're open. they're optimistic, and they're hopeful. that's the best description i can give it. >> and there also has been some reporting that the prosecuting attorney, if there is a prosecution of the officer, darren wilson, has the family talked to or had any communication with that prosecutor? >> there's been no effort that i am aware of where the prosecutor has made any effort to reach out to this family. so based on that, no communication has occurred between the two. >> when you say no communication with the prosecutor, what about chief jackson? the chief of the local police department. >> sure, sure. the same applies to chief jackson. there's been no attempt that i'm
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aware of. >> and we've all watched captain ron johnson of the state police, of the missouri highway patrol, be very visible on the streets of ferguson and also of course on sunday at that service at which the family was there as well. what is the family's perception of whether or not he is, in fact, in charge of the events in ferguson? >> well, you know, it's interesting because yesterday captain ron johnson of all the law enforcement officials involved and security was requested by one of the family members -- or allowed by one of the family members to come into a private room and addressed them. they embraced each other. captain ron johnson made very warm and touching remarks to the family. i left -- or at least from my observation, it was a very
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positive interaction. they had the ultimate faith and confidence in what he was doing. >> does the family anticipate that very soon they'll be able to start their own grieving process? they haven't even had an opportunity to bury this young man. >> yeah, and that's the next step, joy. trying to figure out how they're going to rest michael in peace. that will be the focus for the next couple days. >> all right. anthony gray, an attorney for the brown family. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you very having me. have a great day. >> you too. up next, the independent autopsy of michael brown commissioned by the family is out, and the federal government is conducting its own. i'll talk to a top forensic pathologist about what exactly that autopsy shows. we'll have more of our continuing coverage of michael brown killing after the break. >> we're protesting because we want justice. >> we really don't know if he's going to get justice or not. ♪
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again, our breaking news that missouri governor jay nixon has lifted tonight's curfew for the city of ferguson. >> it's so important that the facts in this case really get out. >> if you don't have your own autopsy and you have to depend completely on the police department autopsy, that's not a good thing. >> the family wants to know certain simple questions that so far we've been able to answer. >> those were the attorneys for michael brown's family, along with michael bodden, the star medical examiner they hired to examine michael brown's body, speaking earlier today. after the release of the preliminary results of the independent autopsy the family commissioned. that autopsy reveals the unarmed 18-year-old was shot at least six timings, including twice in the head. it's an autopsy that, as i mentioned, is separate from the state's autopsy.
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attorney general eric holder is ordering a third autopsy by a federal medical examiner, also at the family's request and due to the extraordinary circumstances in ferguson. let me bring in retired fbi agent and criminal profiler mary ellen o'toole and pathologist. doctor, i want to start with you. when you look at the autopsy that was done by dr. bodden that shows six wounds on michael brown to be the inside area of his arms, near his chest, and two to his head, are there any conclusions that can be drawn just from that preliminary autopsy? >> well, one conclusion can be drawn with regard to the head wounds. it's not clear to me, although i've read and listened to reports today about the wound that really was responsible for his death, the top of the head, as it has been referred to,
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apparently the bullet going into the brain. that would have been, i'm sure, the last shot and the fatal one. the other shot of the face that went in around the right eye moved straight downward, exited from around the jawbone, and reentered in the area just above the collarbone, the clavicle. so you have a vertical downward line. michael brown is 6'3". unless officer wilson is 6'8", 7 foot, and i don't believe he is s then you have to explain how that shot was fired. as far as i'm concerned, the only explanation based upon the facts of the case as i have now heard about them, is that he was falling forward, toppling. he was wounded, and he was falling to the ground, and in the shot then came in and produced a wound in that
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direction. if you bend your head straight down, that which is perpendicular to the ground will become parallel to the ground. with regard to the -- >> go on. >> with regard to the shot to the arm, keep this in mind. the arm, think of it while we're talking, you can bend it forward and supernate, pronate, extend, flex. you have an arm which is capable of many movements. when you try to determine that which is a frontal wound from that which is a dorsal or back wound, back of the arm, that is, then you have to be careful because the dynamics are constantly changing. when someone is running, when someone is being shot at, then the arms are flailing. the body is ducking, juking, twisting, turning, bending and so on. so more reconstruction is going to have to be done. they also should make sure they reconstruct things in the car.
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was a shot fired from the car? and have they tested there for gun residue? the clothing is going to be examined, but remember, no clothing on the face. so no stippling or gun powder residue to be expected there. s if this young man was wearing a t shirr, i keep asking and haven't gotten an answer yet, then except maybe for the highest wound of the right arm, the others would not have been protected from clothing either. so if you have shots fired by a handgun and there is no stippling, let's think of an ink pen coming down and white paper, making little dots. that's what we mean by stippling. and no gun powder residue, the deposition of carbon material from the muzzle of the gun, then that shot was fired from a distance between 24 inches, most probably beyond 18 inches. you can't be more specific than that. so you have to go back and reconstruct the entire event. what was the distance of the body from the car and so on,
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correlate it with all of the different accounts, different people who were there, what the officer is going to say, what michael brown's close friend who was with him, what he has to say. and then you put it all together. >> yeah, and mary ellen o'toole, what was needed to be obtained at the crime scene immediately in order for authorities to do what we've just heard, to reconstruct elements of the scene so that they can determine those important questions? what chain of custody of the evidence would we have needed to have? what would you have wanted to see authorities do that day? >> well, exactly what the doctor said. you need the forensics. you need the clothing. you need the analysis of the forensics of the clothing. the information from the inside of the officer's car, the blood spatter pattern, if there was one, inside the car, the results of the injuries to the officer. obviously, the medical examinations that are being
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done. then any analysis that was done on the officer's gun. >> and doctor, i want want to play you just a little bit from the earlier news conference today. this is sean parcells, who worked with dr. bodden on doing the family requested autopsy. he's talking about those bullet wounds in the arm. it was something what you were talking about as well. take a listen. >> so it also could have occurred when he was putting his hands up. so i put my hands up, and you see where that wound is at. it could have happened if he put his arms across in a defensive manner. we don't know. and we still have to look at other aspects of this investigation. >> and doctor, short of just comparing those wounds to the eyewitness testimony and to it the officer's testimony, and you were discussing this a bit a moment ago, is there any definitive way to prove what position michael brown's arms were in? is there a way to tell? >> no, unless you have a -- an
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exit wound and a re-entrance wound on the trunk of the body. we've had fascinating cases like that. let's say, for example, you have a re-entrance wound in the chest. you see it comes from the arm. then you would like up the arm with that wound. if you only have entrance and exit, then you may never be able to tell from a forensic scientific standpoint exactly what position the arm was in. because as professor parcells said, and i had mentioned earlier, the arm can be in any number of positions. so in terms of ultimately ascertaining the exact position of michael brown when he was shot, except for that facial wound and maybe the head wound and so far as the arm wounds are concern, you're going to be limited. you'll be able to make some determinations to rule out things like lying down or so on.
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but you're not going to be able to make the precise measurements that will tell you exactly what his position was. that will also line up, too, with the trajectory of where officer was firing and getting back to what agent o'toole pointed out, those things back at the scene. where does the officer say he was when he shot this young man? what was the distance? was he stooping? was he bebding? >> and mary ellen, i want to ask about some of the things we have heard. a lot of people troubled about the disposition of the crime scene that day, the amount of time that the body was left on the ground, which people have said was up to four hours. the removal of the body of michael brown in what at least appeared to be a police suv rather than an ambulance, would any of those things have made it difficult to collect forensic evidence that would allow this situation to be adjudicated? >> well, it certainly could. and if a victim's remains lay
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outside and they're exposed to the weather and they're exposed to the elements, you know, that certainly has to be considered. hopefully what people are saying, the time is much shorter than that. i don't know. that's an awfully long time for a victim to lay outside. how that victim was transported toll the medical examiner's office f the people have experience in transporting victims and they take all the right precautions and do everything correctly, then that minimizes any damage that could have been done to the evidence that's so important in this case. >> right. all right. i want to thank both of you. coming up, we continue our coverage of the killing of michael brown. up next, we look at how social media is telling the story in realtime. if i can impart one lesson to a
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we're following several new developments in the shooting death of michael brown right now. within the past hour, missouri's governor announced he's lifting the curfew in ferguson. meantime, brown's family is awaiting state and federal autopsy results after receiving the results of a private, independent autopsy that they commissioned. that autopsy found that the unarmed 18-year-old was shot at least six times, twice in the head. earlier this hour, i spoke with brown family attorney anthony gray who told me the family wants charges brought against the officer who shot and killed michael brown following those
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autopsy results. and president obama has just wrapped up today's meeting with attorney general eric holder. joining me now is ari melbur, co-host of "the cycle." the situation that the attorney general and president find themselves in is a local community that has more trust in the federal government at this point but really not a whole lot that the federal government can do as far as prosecuting, correct? >> well, the federal government has a several rights inquiry open here. that can continue. a big sticking point in these types of situations where you have some concern about whether local authorities can police themselves and a desire for federal oversight is that also shouldn't become an excuse for the local authorities not to continue in their investigation in the proper manner. the attorney general is doing a balance here in his previous statements and what we expect coming out of this meeting is the idea they stands ready to do the investigation, to have, for example, an independent autopsy, as we've reported. but also expecting local
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officials to do right by the victims or the investigation process here. >> and we are looking at a potential grand jury that could start as early as next week. not a lot of confidence among local people in the current prosecutor. wouldn't he have to present any grand jury case? >> potentially. it depends how they assign it out. the big question here is, do you have the police standing back as an investigation continues and letting it run its course, as they should in any manner, or is there a feeling they're closing ranks and somehow interfering? that's why the release of the video on friday was so disturbing disturbing to so many people. reportedly, "the wall street journal" saying federal officials objected to that in advance, saying that wouldn't be appropriate. that goes to whether this process is working, which is a distinct question from the potential charges or potential guilt of this officer. we don't have the facts.
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we don't know everyone's perspective or all the witness testimony yet. people are drawing conclusions, and people are right to put pressure on, but we don't know the facts of that case. that's distinct, though, from what also looks like a breakdown in the way you'd want an investigation to run up to this point. >> right. and just to correct myself, this wednesday we could start to see that grand jury happen. i want to the play you a little bit of sound from earlier today when we did have the presentation of the autopsy results. this is what one of the women -- we didn't see her in the audience -- that was listening had to say. it's a question we've heard a lot from the ground on ferguson. let's listen. >> all of us here know what happened to michael. why hasn't mr. -- the officer -- wilson been arrested? >> it's kind of a flashback almost to what happened in sanford with that case in the trayvon martin case, where people don't understand why it's taking so long to get to what they think is the logical result. and it goes to your point, that people don't have confidence that the same police agencies
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that are out policing them on the street and that this officer comes from are actually going to do the thing that they want most, which is to make an arrest. >> right. but let me be clear here. i spoke about where the police in this instance seem to have been wrong because releasing that tape would seem so prejudicial and selective. having said that, it's something some people don't want to hear. in the same way we talk about justice in a process for any other potential suspect, they may not have gathered enough information yet that would warrant an arrest. you have to meet a legal standard for that. they may not be there. this autopsy, people are looking and they want to draw certain conclusions. when i talk about selective material, this is one piece. so people can look at this. we just don't know yet in isolation whether this autopsy does more for one side or the other. alone, people may draw their conclusions. but we have to stand back in terms of interpreting it, whether that's a legal process or journalistically, to make sure we get all the facts.
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the problem for the police officer in this case would seem to be not so much the individual information but whether multiple witnesses who don't have any reason to be coordinating their stories all seem to have seen a similar thing. one more point i heard someone make earlier today about this was saying, well -- i think chris hayes mentioned folks on the fwround have said, well, if this situation were reversed, how would go to go down? that's not the legal standard. the police officer in this type of situation does have more ability to exercise force legally than an individual would in reverse. that may frustrate people, but that's the law right now. the question isn't what if it were reversed. the question legally, and this is what people need to keep their eye on, in this situation did this officer have reasonable apprehension, reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death? if they didn't, and they still use deadly force,that's what we would call excessive force. that's illegal. that's the question, not whether it's reversed, not everything else. did they use excessive force?
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that's what the investigation has to focus on. >> ari, who happens to be an attorney. very convenient at times like this. also a co-host of "the cycle," which you can watch right after this program weekdays it at 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> all right. let's get to the three things you need to know this monday. the u.s. military has conducted 15 more air strikes near the strategic mosul dam in iraq after kurdish and iraqi forces retook control of the dam from isis militants. the militants say they remain in control. it's the largest dam in iraq and supplies electricity and water to a large part of the country. in gaza, a five-day cease-fire is set to expire in about two and a half hours. israeli and palestinian negotiators are in cairo for truce talks mediated by egypt. the main point of contention is the gaza blockade impose by israel and egypt in 2007 after hamas militants took control of the gaza strip. here at home, texas governor rick perry is moving forward
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with plans to visit 2016 primary states despite being indicted on two felony counts of abuse of power after allegedly trying to force a district attorney to resign after she was arrested for drunk driving. she refused and prosecutors say that governor perry then vetoed $7.5 million in funding for her office. perry fired back this weekend. >> i wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto, and i'll continue to defend this lawful action of my executive authority as governor.
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jurors will begin hearing evidence that will help determine whether darren wilson, the ferguson police officer who fatally shot michael brown, will be charged with a crime. but with an internal investigation paving the way for a potential prosecution, one question being asked, can the police be trusted to police one of their own? and joining me now is pamela means, president of the national bar association, and jim cavanaugh, who's a retired atf special agent and msnbc law enforcement analyst. pamela, i want to start with you because as i understand it, you would prefer to see a special prosecutor in this case rather than the county prosecutor of record. explain why. >> actually, we would prefer to see the federal government come in and take over the investigation. joy, it's because of what you said in your opening. when the trust of the community has been broken with those who are hired and paid by them to police them, it is very difficult for them to believe that there will be a fair and impartial investigation into this matter.
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the national bar association, all we want is the truth. we want the evidence to be done and collected in such a way that there will be integrity and honor in the process. as a result, we're asking attorney general holder to come in and to take over the investigation. >> and jim cavanaugh, talk first of all about the complication of the local and the county police agencies and really the prosecutor, being asked to investigate one of their own, someone -- you know, prosecutors work quite closely with police. there is a relationship there. this prosecutor allegedly was unhappy with the idea of taking the local and county police off the beat. then you, of course, have local police from ferguson having to gather information and evidence potentially against one of their own officers. is that a situation that is, shall i say, conducive to fairness for the victim? >> well, it's a great point, joy. you know, many district attorneys can step right up in a situation that even involves the police they work with every day.
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the if the facts justify and warrant it, they can bring a charge against the officer. it happens often in america. but there's other cases, and we harken back to the civil rights era, that require, you know, the department of justice and civil rights division in particular to step in and make the decision that this case needs to be charged under the laws of the united states. and i think -- i saw your segment with ari. he's a brilliant attorney, and i'm not an attorney, but i'm an almost 40-year agent and commander and police officer. and i respectfully disagree. i think the probable cause is overwhelming to get a warrant and arrest this officer under a federal civil rights violation. >> and that's the issue, what you just mentioned at the end. the federal civil rights violation. pamela, you know, one of the things that constrains the federal government here is that they have to charge on a federal crime. so any sort of murder or related charges, that's at the state level. the federal statute that would
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attach would be civil rights violations. typically, doesn't that only happen after the state as adjudicated or disposed of the case? >> absolutely not. there are cases where the federal government will come in -- there are situations where there's so much unrest, the credibility of the community is so damaged and the federal government makes a decision because it's in the best interest of that community to look and see that it is in the community's best interest and the government's best interest to come in. here we see a violation of human rights and civil rights in this particular case. and in that case where the government cannot -- where the state cannot be trusted, the government has actually come in and taken over the investigation. i think we're dealing with two different issues. when we talk about charging in a federal crime and whether or not it's a civil rights violation, that's a whole other issue. but there's a particular case where the federal government can make a determination that there is so much unrest dealing with a killing or something involved
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that they can come in and become the investigating individuals. i think we find that situation in this particular case. i often give the common sense approach, which is, if you get married and your spouse cheats on you, it is very difficult in a situation for you to trust that person again. you may not divorce them, but the possibility of trusting them is not something that happens quickly. if you look at the outrage in this community, what you finds is that the trust has been broken. that what people are calling disorder is really people crying out, saying we will no longer ask for respect. we are demanding it in this case. if you live in this area, you will understand that what got this community to a point where they would risk their lives to defy an order to be off the streets at midnight. they're not doing it because they want to be seen. they're doing it because they want to be heard. and in those situations, look at
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the new orleans situation where the federal government came in and seized that department. we're not asking that. the national bar association is saying, this is a case of unrest. come in, eric holder. don't just do the investigation consistent with them, but do the investigation, take it over. >> and jim, i want to just quickly get one more question in about the actual investigation itself. how does it strike you that you did have police incest over the federal agency's objections on releasing that videotape, which did enflame the public, and just the perception by people in ferguson that what at least ferguson police are doing is acting more to protect the officer than to investigate? how do you respond to that? >> right, i think that was really sorry to release that videotape. it was over the objections of the department of justice to the police. they shouldn't have done it. but nevertheless, moving forward -- and it's enflamed everybody. but moving forward, what we need, joy s we need bobby
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kennedy in the '60s when he called the governor of alabama and moved in federal agents to protect martin luther king's church in montgomery. they objected to that. we had to have an attorney general to do it. i think we immediate some action here, some leadership, some decisions, and the federal government's got to not worry about the niceties and make a decision. >> all right. pamela meanes and jim cavanaugh, thanks to both of you. >> thank you so much, joy. >> all right. up next, we reid between the lines on who's really in charge of the operation in ferguson. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy. say "hi" rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] i'd do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. that's why i'm so excited about these new milk-bone brushing chews. whoa, i'm not the only one. it's a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. clinically proven as effective as brushing.
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side, got tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby. [ applause ] >> captain ron johnson has become something of a folk hero in ferguson, the face and embodiment of reconciliation. still, it's not clear that captain johnson has ever really been in charge of ferguson. and some are now asking whether the local and county police departments set out to undermine him from the start. >> i received some information from the ground this morning, and i almost think that captain johnson is being used as a pawn to cover for all of the mistakes of governor nixon at this time. >> because since that one blissful day last thursday when captain johnson from the missouri highway patrol was brought in by the governor, governor jay nixon, and he pulled back the military style police troops and walked with the protesters over michael brown's death, things have quickly slipped back into chaos.
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this is what captain johnson said last night about whether the national guard would be called in to take over security in ferguson. >> no. at this point we're taking additional steps, and we'll evaluate our resources. >> hours later, the governor sent in the national guard. johnson was not told that the ferguson police chief planned to release the surveillance video on friday that until he corrected the misimpression with a follow-up news conference implied that officer darren wilson was pursuing michael brown as a robbery suspect, rather than stopping hick for jay walking. captain johnson learned about the release on television. according to a law enforcement source i talked to over the weekend, the justice department actually talked ferguson police out of releasing the surveillance video on thursday, the same day captain johnson took charge. the doj, of course, didn't wanted i have yoe released at all. on friday night when the video's release touched off new angry
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protests, the tear gas, which captain johnson had vowed not to use anymore, returned. the good faith from releasing the officer's name had been completely undermine d. "after sporadic looting on saturday night halted largely by other protesters who rushed to the protect the establishments being vandalized, governor jay nixon declared a curfew, further undercutting johnson's authority. one of the local activists that cobb meant in ferguson sent a text message saying, johnson has good intentions but no power. this is beyond him. johnson's sunday sermon illustrated that he is fundamentally with people of his hometown. the actions of the state illustrate that police and governmental authorities may or may not truly be with him. and that wraps things up for "the reid report." i'll see you back here tomorrow
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straight ahead in "the cycle", a city in crisis. residents of ferguson, missouri, remain in the streets. even the united nations is now involved. this slice of middle america looks more like a war zone. >> and already tense situation is further fueled by more details of michael brown's death. we have just learned a grand jury could begin weighing in on that as early as this week. >> and from ferguson to the white house, president obama gets briefed by attorney general holder. meantime, the curfew is called off, the national guard is called in, and the family of michael brown is calling for justice. >> our first question was, how many times was he shot? and so that question was answered. at least initially.
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>> at least six. that's how many bullet wounds 18-year-old michael brown suffered according to an independent autopsy commissioned by his family. it's one of three autopsies. the first was done by local officials. those results have not been yet released. a second has been ordered by attorney general eric holder. and this one, conducted by dr. michael bodden, the former chief medical examiner for new york city, done at the family's request. he says it shows at least six entry wounds, all from the front, with two striking brown in the head. the assistant pathologist says two of the those bullets grazed brown, one on the inner arm and one near the wrist. >> the question asked to us was, could that wound occur from him walking away and then he turns around? it's consistent with that. however, understand, too, that while the shot could come from the back, as if i'm standing here walking along and get sho

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